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Tuesday, March 21, 2006

John MacArthur's Infant Position -- Does it Contradict the Standard Calvinist Position of 'Limited Atonement'?

Do babies and others incapable of professing faith in Christ automatically go to heaven?

Click here to read John MacArthur's article in its entirety

An excerpt is provided here:

"While infants and children have neither sensed their personal sin and need for salvation nor placed their faith in Christ, Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the clear rejection of God's revelation—whether general or specific—not simple ignorance of it (Luke 10:16; John 12:48; 1 Thess. 4:8). Can we definitely say that the unborn and young children have comprehended the truth displayed by God's general revelation that renders them "without excuse" (Rom. 1:18-20)? They will be judged according to the light they received. Scripture is clear that children and the unborn have original sin—including both the propensity to sin as well as the inherent guilt of original sin. But could it be that somehow Christ's atonement did pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time? Yes, and therefore it is a credible assumption that a child who dies at an age too young to have made a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus Christ will be taken to be with the Lord."

TULIP Calvinist believe the following:

  • Man is totally depraved which means he can not seek after God in his sinful state
  • Jesus died only for the 'elect'
  • God chose the 'elect' in eternity past, and there is nothing an 'elect' can do to change that
  • Calvinist teach Jesus' death on the Cross was actually a limited atonement for the 'elect only' because if Jesus died for the world -- not just the 'elect', then all of the world would go to heaven (so goes their logic)

There are many other things they believe, but the ones listed above are critical to this study.

Let me say that I agree wholeheartedly with MacArthur's position that infants and mentally challenged individuals who are unable to make a willful rejection of Jesus Christ go to Heaven when they die. MacArthur is not alone in his understanding of the Scripture on this point. If you desire, you can read similar positions by men like Dr. James White, John Piper, Albert Mohler, C.H. Spurgeon and many other Calvinists. That said, these esteemed Calvinist often quote the London Baptist Confessional (LBC) as their authority on such matters as I outlined above. The only problem is they don't agree with Point 3 in the LBC.

The 1689 London Baptist Confessional can be read here

Please read Chapter 10 entitled "Effectual Calling". For ease of reading, I'm including point 3 below.

3. Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word. ( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )

So what does this mean? Fundamentally, point 3 of chapter 10 of the LBC affirms a concept they call 'elect infants'. Therefore, if there is such a thing as an 'elect infant', by default there must also be 'non-elect infants'. However, the Bible does not declare any such notion -- that is an infant dying and going to Hell. You can't have it both ways: either all are 'elect infants' until such time as they make a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus, or all are 'totally depraved' and can only accept Jesus when they are effectually called.

Therefore, the Bible actually affirms that ALL infants and mentally challenged are covered by Jesus' death on the cross. So, the Calvinist who rightly divides the Word on this issue comes up with the right answer -- infants and mentally challenged individuals who die DO go to heaven. Notice MacArthur's final sentence: "... a child who dies at an age too young to have made a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus Christ will be taken to be with the Lord." I agree MacArthur is Biblically correct when he makes this statement. However, by getting the Biblical answer the Calvinist must make a choice. Do they embrace the Bible or do they cling to their systematic theology known as Calvinism?

Here's what I mean. Calvinist believe man is incapable of accepting God's call to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ because of their state of 'total depravity'. Only the 'elect' can respond, not whosoever will because they believe Jesus died for the 'elect' only, etc. As a result of these beliefs, the Calvinist really knows nothing of a 'willful rejection'. The Calvinist does not believe man has a freewill and therefore he is unable to exercise his will to believe in Jesus. This is what gets me with regard to MacArthur's use of the words 'conscious, willful rejection'. In an attempt to reconcile the clear teaching of God's Word with the Calvinist system, one does run headlong into problems.

Here's another problem for (TULIP) Calvinist when Mac Arthur states this, "...could it be that somehow Christ's atonement did pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time? Yes..." I agree with MacArthur when he answers yes, for this is what the Bible teaches. MacArthur affirms the atoning work of Jesus and it is inclusive of every person who comes into the world.

After all, who was not once an infant? We all were.

And those of us who are blessed by being alive did eventually reach that point in time MacArthur stated when we must individually choose: will it be a conscious, willful rejection or a conscious, willful acceptance of Jesus!

In Him,

Eye


14 Comments:

  • Great post, Eye. I guess it is an unlimited atonement for TULIPers only when it is convenient?

    Though I can see where they would state that God decreed from before the foundation of the world (since he has no ability to foresee things. Huh?) that ALL babies, children and the mentally challenged who die before the "age of accountability" would automatically go to heaven.

    By Blogger Dawn, at March 22, 2006 10:45 AM  

  • Dawn,

    You hit the nail on the head! only when convenient to their doctrines...

    I believe the Bible clearly teaches predestination/election is understood in light of foreknowledge. Thus, predestination is not about salvation per se. Rather predestination is about a blessing -- and that blessing is God chose to adopt us into His family. One could argue that we could be saved from God's wrath, but that alone doesn't make us 'a' son of the Living God until we understand that is now part of God's will and plan for all of those who believe on His Name!

    I believe that is the beauty of Ephesians 1. He 'determined' that those who believe, and those infants and mentally challenged individuals who don't have the opportunity to believe will become a part of the family of God -- 'children' of God by Jesus Christ to Himself. This is the good pleasure of HIs will!!

    In Him,

    Eye

    By Blogger Eye, at March 22, 2006 3:37 PM  

  • Eye: "I believe that is the beauty of Ephesians 1. He 'determined' that those who believe, and those infants and mentally challenged individuals who don't have the opportunity to believe will become a part of the family of God -- 'children' of God by Jesus Christ to Himself. This is the good pleasure of HIs will!!"

    But doesn't that all equate to salvation?

    By Blogger Dawn, at March 22, 2006 6:39 PM  

  • Dawn,

    I'll clarify -- yes Ephesians 1 certainly deals with salvation. We clearly see the Ephesians placing faith in Jesus in the later part of that chapter. My point is arguably a finer one. Here's what I mean:

    * we broke his laws and rebelled against Him (we are all guilty through Adam's sin)

    * God chose to forgive us through Jesus' atoning work on the cross

    * When a person places faith in Jesus they are forgiven

    * Now that we are forgiven, God could have stopped there.

    * But He didn't! He CHOSE to not only forgive us, but to also make us his children

    * So, God didn't have to make us his children in order to forgive us

    * He wanted to make us his children and adopt us into his family

    predestination/election/choosing is unto some blessing:


    1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


    Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    We see the following truths in these passages:

    * We are elect according to God's foreknowledge

    * He predestined us to be adopted into His family (that is the good pleasure of His will!)

    * We will be conformed to the image of Jesus!

    Hope this helps.

    In Him,

    Eye

    By Blogger Eye, at March 23, 2006 7:49 PM  

  • Eye, thanks for taking the time to spell it all out for me.

    BTW, your blog is looking great. I don't know if it was my browser, but the bullets were not showing up, but they are now. I also like that you changed the font size in your title.

    By Blogger Dawn, at March 23, 2006 10:03 PM  

  • Thanks Dawn!

    I've been having some technical difficulties with Blogger -- hope to get it all ironed out soon.

    I appreciate you coming by...

    By Blogger Eye, at March 23, 2006 10:05 PM  

  • Greetings

    Eye has not seen... that God has prepared for those who love Him. For to us God has revealed them through the Spirit.

    Rom 9:16
    "So then it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy"

    If it is true that God shows mercy to every infant that has gone astray even from the womb then you could say they all are elected and saved by grace.

    One thing is clear it does not depend on the infants will as is so with every man.

    By Blogger Correy, at April 18, 2006 11:39 PM  

  • Thanks for stopping by Puritan Belief and for your comments.

    You said: If it is true that God shows mercy to every infant that has gone astray even from the womb then you could say they all are elected and saved by grace.

    Eye's response: if said infant and mentally challenged individual expires before reaching moral responsibility, aka age of accountability, then they go to heaven. You can't get there unless you are one of the elect...

    You said: One thing is clear it does not depend on the infants will as is so with every man.

    Eye's response: Interesting point -- let's take it a step further. The infant's will is there -- the infant exercises it every time it screams for whatever reason -- bad diaper, hungry, etc. You take something from a 2 year old and tell them no and see what kind of response you get. I would suggest their crying and having a temper tantrum is a result of their will.

    That 'will' is moldable over time and God tells us to shape those infants/children through godly discipline as they age and mature. This theoretical infant's will accompanied by his conscience leads him to make good or bad choices.

    My point is this infant has a will, it just isn't being fully used until it crosses the line of moral responsibility -- knows its left hand from its right...

    Hope that helps.

    In Him,

    Eye

    By Blogger Eye, at April 19, 2006 2:49 PM  

  • I guess it was better for Judas to be killed in the womb then. Or every baby for that matter.

    By Blogger Correy, at April 22, 2006 6:18 AM  

  • PB

    Gen 18:25b Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

    In Him,

    Eye

    By Blogger Eye, at April 22, 2006 7:34 PM  

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    By Blogger Jeremy Green, at July 01, 2006 5:29 PM  

  • I really enjoyed your post. I too believe that the Scripture teaches that election is according to the infinite foreknowledge of God (1 Peter 1:2). Furthermore, God is willing that all men be saved (1 Timothy 2:4), and not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9). Thus, Christ has mad a way, the only way, for men to be saved - and that is through Him and His finished work on the cross and through His resurrection. Thanks and God bless!!!

    In Christ,
    JLG

    By Blogger Jeremy Green, at July 02, 2006 8:24 PM  

  • Dear SBC Pastor,

    Great post and AMEN!

    In Him,

    Eye

    By Blogger Eye, at July 14, 2006 11:24 AM  

  • Obviously God's wishes and desires are different than his sovereign will. He wishes/desires all to be saved and come to repentance, but that does not always happen.

    God also hardens hearts, allows deception and spirits of stupor:

    Romans 11:8
    8 just as it is written,
    “God gave them a spirit of stupor,
    Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
    Down to this very day.”

    Mark 4:11-12
    11 And He was saying to them, “To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 so that while seeing, they may see and not perceive, and while hearing, they may hear and not understand, otherwise they might return and be forgiven.”

    2 Thessalonians 2:11
    11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

    Exodus 4:21
    21 The Lord said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

    Romans 9:18
    18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

    There are obviously more versus that speak to God's desire, both for saving and hardening. The Bible is not meant to be confusing, but care must be taken when trying to make a point. They often turn out to be incredibly one sided opinions with limited proof to substantiate a claim.

    As for the purpose of this thread I am still studying scriptures to see what is revealed. But not a single verse was presented and interpreted that would convince someone who does not already agree with you. God obviously hardens some people, in the versus I have shown undoubtedly adults, and their context would lead you to believe this was God choosing not to show his mercy to them, thus them ending up in hell after death. The will of the person was of no consequence in these cases. This was just part of God's sovereign plan. I would like to see your rational on why this principle would also not apply to children/infants/unborn? Maybe this was your intent but you seemed to base the post off of comments from another pastor and discredit it because of two words.

    Like I said I am still studying this topic and am interested in your thoughts, but I would be interested to have your biblical basis. Most articles on this topic reference the same few versus which are not very convincing, especially when taken with others like I included above.

    God Bless, and do remember that just because the method of salvation is not always agreed upon doesn't mean we are not all brothers/sisters of Christ. Having a regenerate and repentant heart is the product of salvation, whatever the means.

    By Anonymous Josh, at September 16, 2014 9:57 PM  

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